Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Rannoch Donald's pathless land of Resilience (including his latest tool test, the war machine)
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Rannoch Donald is an explorer and facilitator. In the UK, simplestrength's monk of the north is known for bringing to his back yard of Edinburgh the interesting edge of functional fitness culture.
When he's interested in an idea someone is exploring, whether its myofascial manipulation or bodyweight movement (or hitting people with sticks), his response is not to peek at it in isolation, but to have a workshop for interested souls to check it out.
When Steve Cotter kicked off his IKFF organization, Rannoch had him over. Mike Mahler has been up to talk about kettlebells and hormones. Frank Forencich of Exuberant Animal has visited as has Erwin Le Corre of NatMov has also been through. Alvero Romano's hung out and taught.
Rannoch's no snob of the "it's better from further away" school of thought: he's had up Jonathan Lewis up from London to do a trigger point workshop, and awhile ago, i got to make the trip to talk about tuning the perfect rep. Rannoch also offers his own kettlebell workshops and combat ready sessions. He's also the guy behind the simple if infectious 100 Reps Challenge. And anyone who's visited with him wants to come back again for more, which is a pretty good indicator of how welcome they felt and how well the events go.
The Host with the Most Cool Tuls to Share The interesting thing - least ways for me - is that being a fitness workshop czar is not RDonald's main gig. It's a passion. So who better to have a wee chat with about what the man calls truth as a pathless land?
And i confess, knowing Rannoch to be a big explorer of Cool Tools that Actually Work, i wanted to find out about his affinity with a new suspension trainer, the War Machine, as he's managed to help bring that to the UK, too.
Rannoch, what's "truth is a pathless land" that is the tag line at Simple Strength? where does that come from.
Cool recommendations. But you don't just read and absorb these sources; you put them back out there. Why are you doing Simple Strength? This is part time-ish for you - what made you decide to start getting folks in for workshops?
So let's talk about daily practice for a bit. How do you train right now, cuz i've known you to do KB's, martial arts and indian clubs and likely more.
Ya - i'm trying to get a walk through with him of the best video i've seen for having fun working out. I love this vid (pictured above).
So among all the stuff you do, where does the WM fit into your training mix?
My fave is the rope climbing simulation. With Mike Saffie's Grappler Grips. That for me is the unique total wonderful win - for someone who doesn't have room to sling a rope.
Is there anything that you find you can do with the WM that is unique to it that has become core to your work?
How will the WM be factoring into any of your workshops, Rannoch? That's a little more of an investment for workshop gear than kbs?
That's super. Thanks R. Let's wrap up on lessons to share. What's the most important thing you've taken away from your practice that you think folks should know?
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When he's interested in an idea someone is exploring, whether its myofascial manipulation or bodyweight movement (or hitting people with sticks), his response is not to peek at it in isolation, but to have a workshop for interested souls to check it out.
When Steve Cotter kicked off his IKFF organization, Rannoch had him over. Mike Mahler has been up to talk about kettlebells and hormones. Frank Forencich of Exuberant Animal has visited as has Erwin Le Corre of NatMov has also been through. Alvero Romano's hung out and taught.
Rannoch's no snob of the "it's better from further away" school of thought: he's had up Jonathan Lewis up from London to do a trigger point workshop, and awhile ago, i got to make the trip to talk about tuning the perfect rep. Rannoch also offers his own kettlebell workshops and combat ready sessions. He's also the guy behind the simple if infectious 100 Reps Challenge. And anyone who's visited with him wants to come back again for more, which is a pretty good indicator of how welcome they felt and how well the events go.
The Host with the Most Cool Tuls to Share The interesting thing - least ways for me - is that being a fitness workshop czar is not RDonald's main gig. It's a passion. So who better to have a wee chat with about what the man calls truth as a pathless land?
And i confess, knowing Rannoch to be a big explorer of Cool Tools that Actually Work, i wanted to find out about his affinity with a new suspension trainer, the War Machine, as he's managed to help bring that to the UK, too.
Rannoch, what's "truth is a pathless land" that is the tag line at Simple Strength? where does that come from.
The full qoute is "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." It is taken from a speech made by Jiddu Krishnamurti. At a young age he was was singled out as a vehicle for some sort of "second coming". What his patrons didn't realise was he was wiser than they could have imagined. He made this speech to the gathered masses of the "Order of the Star", disbanding the organisation and in order to simply live and teach without dogma, encouraging people to find their own way. His writings are exceptional. At their core is the plea that we find our own way, create our own path. If you are a fan of Bruce Lee you will find much of Lee's philosophy comes from Krishnamurti's writings. I have seen many intelligent, articulate people lose themselves and their critical faculties to some coach, trainer, guru or teacher. At workshops I simply tell people - "This is what I do, it works for me, it might work for you. Take what is useful, discard that which is not, add what is your own" (You can credit Bruce Lee with the "Take what is useful..." part!)
Truth is a Pathless Land by J Krishnamurti, 1929. The Dissolution of the Order of the Star.
"I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect."
And while we are on the subject, I have to recommend "The End Of Faith" by Sam Harris. It is a book for our times.
What I do is all about general ability, general health, general wellbeing. We don't spend enough time working on those fundamentals.
Cool recommendations. But you don't just read and absorb these sources; you put them back out there. Why are you doing Simple Strength? This is part time-ish for you - what made you decide to start getting folks in for workshops?
Simple Strength is my home. A place where I can do what I want. A place that lets me come in, sit down and think, write, experiment and share.
As for workshops, I started as a way to share what knowledge I had and to solidify my own experience. I have gained so much from the opportunity to work with others. As Robert Heinlein said "When one teaches, two learn". In time it became clear that there was an appetite for what I do, perhaps my take on things and it grew from there. I am particularly average, I am not some high performance athlete. What I do is all about general ability, general health, general wellbeing. We don't spend enough time working on those fundamentals. But again this is one of the problems of the fitness "industry". It is too busy telling people what to do when it should be focusing on what they are capable of. And my experience is that their capabilities are far more interesting that some arbitrary set of reps and sets.Ok speaking of arbitrary sets and reps, what inspired the 100 rep challenge?
The 100 Rep challenge came about as a piece on Simple Strength. The 100 rep website grew out of that. The concept certainly isn't new. The idea is to simply practice 100 reps of some activity every day. It can be as easy or as difficult as you want it to be. The key is to do something that in some way makes up for the fact that we get so little movement in our day compared to our grandparents who walked more, ate less and who relied a lot less on the kind of convenieces we take for granted. It has not begin to reach it's potential as a vehicle for simple daily practice. I have various folk who've contributed but I can see it needs to care and attention to bring it to a wider audience. Cj Swaby is using it as part of the Pheonix Project with Janey Madden which is aimed at helping women in abusive situations. Dr G of the Bartendaz has supported it with the outreach programs he delivers to schools in New York. The idea is to promote something that is free, simple and inclusive and has it roots in movement and daily practice.
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Rannoch inspiring 100 more reps |
Good question! My training is non-specific. I have problems with the whole “train like an athlete” mentality. If you are an athlete, great, go for it. But for most of us, general is better. Better in terms of application, better in terms of sustainability.
I really want resilience - the ability to bounce back. Bigger, faster, stronger – as you get older these are all subject to decline, any disregard of that fact it an invitation for injury and pain. On the other hand, if you can cultivate resiliency it is timeless. The next year for me will focus on building that quality in everything I do.
My practice consists of, in order of importance –
Breath work, from simple breathing to specific Qi Gong drills I learned from Steve Cotter of the IKFF and the various martial arts teachers I have been lucky enough to study under. Next comes
Mobility, breath work segues nicely into this and you can combine them easily. At workshops we teach Mandatory Mobility which I consider a daily non-negotiable practice of Toe to Head joint mobilisation.Next up is Bodyweight, really the cornerstone of physical resiliency, with a focus on basics: push ups, pull ups, dynamic whole body drills combined with the War Machine Suspension trainer and band work.
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krav maga in edinburgh with RD |
Finally, Kettlebells and the Ultimate Sandbag feature two or three times a week. I tend to focus on snatch and clean + jerk. With the Sandbag I work complexes. I set the Gymboss timer and off I go. With kettlebells I generally work intervals, messing around with work vs rest. I am not really interested in the competition aspect but I love the lifts, the intensity and the focus. Most of all I try and move, keep a little gas in the tank and keep it playful! That is the key.
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Keeping it Playful with the new toy, the war machine |
When did this workout part of your life kick off, Rannoch? Has it phased and cycled, or always been as regular as it is over these past few years?During the week I will take the odd short run or rollerblade to keep things loose. When the opportunity presents itself I will work the heavy bag for rounds. I also do what I call shadow play, like shadow boxing but incorporating all sorts of movement, letting the body shift effortlessly through various combinations, improvising floor work, rolling, tumbling, generally messing around!
To be clear, all of the above are done as brief, intermittent bursts of activity with widely varying degrees of intensity.
The training model for everything I do is practice, incremental progress and very occasional performance. Performance is the arena and we only go there occasionally because the price of admission is the potential for injury.
On the flip side I make recovery an equal to training. So sleep, meditation, eating cleanly and of course Mandatory Mobility all play key roles.
In the last year I’ve been inspired by Frank Forencich’s excellent “Change Your Body, Change the World” which focuses on the “infectiousness” of our lifestyles. Also Mark Lauren’s superb “You Are Your Own Gym” which is the best bodyweight training book I have come across, by far. Both authors are emblematic of their approach which is hugely important to me.
I understand you got formally certified as a kb swinger in 2007 - how'd that start - why kb's?I have always loved just moving. As a kid I wanted to be a stuntman. Once I got in to martial arts we started to incorporate that natural athleticism into everything we did. Growing up, my friend Alec and I would throw ourselves around, jump walls, kick, punch, and cartwheel. There’s really is nothing new. When I look at Parkour is see amazing skill but in essence, it’s no different from the freedom of expression all kids should have.
Over the years I have been lucky enough to train with all kinds of people and every single one of them has informed what I do in some way. The common thread is always natural movement. In the last year I have worked with and been inspired by Jonathan Lewis of Balance Performance, Erwan Le Corre creator of MovNat and Alvaro Romano of Ginastica Natural all of whom display beautiful, dynamic, natural movement. I am a big fan of Tom Myers definition of fitness as “The ability to adapt to the demands of your environment with ease and imagination”I worked in the music business for years, not the most conducive lifestyle for staying healthy. My training ebbed and flowed but I never stopped. It took a broken leg about six years ago to get me back on the track of regular training and wellness. I guess I had my moment of clarity and realised there was an opportunity to achieve and sustain a decent level of health and wellbeing.
After I broke my leg I had physiotherapy and rehab on the National Health. Nothing they did or spoke about seemed focus on anything but the bare minimum in terms of recovery. So I went back to my roots, combat style conditioning. I came across some bodyweight drills by Pavel Tsatsouline which led me to a couple of articles in Muscle Media. I loved the simplicity of it. There was an article about pull ups, push ups and pistols which showed some Kettlebell drills. I picked up a kettlestack initially and then worked my way through various kettlebells eventually going on to certify with Pavel in Denmark.
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Rannoch with Steve |
The hard style approach made sense to me, particularly the similarities with Karate in terms of power generation. Then I met Steve Cotter of the IKFF and realised, for me, a lot of what I had been doing was really entry level stuff. I had a similar experience when I moved from Karate to Wing Chun. I realised that the real art is making the difficult appear effortless.You've also been going a little nuts on vertical standing jumps. what's that about?
That is fun! My friend, S+C coach, Joel Proskewitz (of the strength company) made the mistake of posting a 37” jump on Facebook. I went to the Gym with my son Pete who’s 16 and he proceeded to hit 40”. Andy McKenzie from IronMac joined in and the next thing we knew Andy hit 47”. Since then we’ve been pushing it trying to beat the current Guinness Book record of 50”.
As a result of all this, Joel is hosting the Podium Gold Jump Challenge at Body Power at the NEC in May. So that simple little clip morphed into a healthy competition and I am confident someone will break the record on the day. You should come up and join us.Uh huh. Ok, now let's talk a little bit about this passion for the intriguingly named War Machine? How did you first hear about it?
I came across a clip of the War Machine on line. I thought it looked like tremendous fun so I contacted Brendan Cosso from Crosscore in the USA and the moment I spoke with him I knew I had to have one. He’s a guy who trains for the sheer joy of moving and shares a very similar philosophy when it comes to training.
don't you just want one? start to play now?
Ya - i'm trying to get a walk through with him of the best video i've seen for having fun working out. I love this vid (pictured above).
So among all the stuff you do, where does the WM fit into your training mix?
The War Machine is the missing link for me. It adds a whole new challenge in terms of stability and rotation. As a bodyweight fan it is fantastic to have a piece of equipment that allows us to challenge traditional movements. It is also very scalable, allowing you to practice and progress simply by changing body position. Once you get the basics you Pull the Pin and a whole other world opens up!Pulling the pin meaning that you're letting the wheel in the pulley run free. Pin in, the cables are pretty static, a la regular suspension trainers. It is truly a different experience. Had you trained with suspension trainers before?
I have and I love them. I had a TRX which I replaced with the Jungle Gym. Both good pieces of gear. But as Andy McKenzie says “The TRX is a warm up for the War Machine”.You've been instrumental in getting the WM to the UK - there's lots of cool gear out there. Why the WM?
As you know, I like simple. The War Machine fits the brief but it is a really flexible piece of kit. The pulley system is unique in terms of the challenge it provides. You can take very capable, conditioned athletes and they will struggle with simple suspended push ups when the Pin is Pulled and the pulley is free. It encourages play, it encourages imaginative movement. You have to really engage the whole body rather than going through the motions and it’s easy to simulate the push and pull of competitive sports.I own it's taken me time to find my way into this tool. Now i'm kinda hooked. Mentally it's been challenging not to be frustrated by surprisingly how hard it can be to find the not too hard, not too easy work out. Putting in the time is worth it though. I'm very surprised by the effectiveness and transference effects from it.
My fave is the rope climbing simulation. With Mike Saffie's Grappler Grips. That for me is the unique total wonderful win - for someone who doesn't have room to sling a rope.
Is there anything that you find you can do with the WM that is unique to it that has become core to your work?
It is an incredibly versatile piece of kit. You can attach stretch bands and use it as a pulley system. You can attach different handles or grips from gymnastic rings to Gi sleeves to Fat Gripz (another very cool piece of kit by the way). And it’s not limited to strength training, I work various drills to open my hips, shoulders and lower back. The possibilities are fantastic, have you tried wall walking on it? That is one serious challenge!Yes i have tried wall walking in so far as doing two walls at a time (kinda splits position) - haven't had a set up to go against a wall yet ... but as that's the in thing, now, welll i'll just have to give it a go.
How will the WM be factoring into any of your workshops, Rannoch? That's a little more of an investment for workshop gear than kbs?
I think, within our community, people will be keen to get a taste of the War Machine. I plan to simply get folk along to try it out and make an informed decision. It not a piece of kit you will outgrow. I see it as part of the training continuum.I'm really intrigued the way you've had this immediate click with the gear. Personally it's taken patience on my part to shift from a "lift heavy thing. unk" to exploring the challenges it can open up. Way to go. Now i understand you're going to be heading to BodyPower. What is that, and how does the WM fit into that?
War Machine is making its official launch at Body Power, "the UK’s foremost Health and Fitness Expo at the NEC in Birmingham (May 21/22)." Jonathan Lewis of Balance Performance in London will be there along with Andy McKenzie of IronMac to demonstrate the War Machine and let folks get their hands on with it. Beaver Fit are supplying their Spartan Rigs for presentations in the Work Out Area and on the Main Stage where Andy will be showing everyone the unique properties of the War Machine.If folks in the UK want to get this cool tool, and pull their own pin, where do they go??
You can order it from Balance Performance in London and Beaver Fit are supplying it as part of their preferred kit for their amazing rigs.
"Resilience. Resilience - the ability to bounce back- that is the key. Everything else is subject to entropy."
That's super. Thanks R. Let's wrap up on lessons to share. What's the most important thing you've taken away from your practice that you think folks should know?
Resilience. Resilience - the ability to bounce back- that is the key. Everything else is subject to entropy. We may aspire to be bigger, faster, stronger. But somewhere along the way we will become smaller, slower, weaker. Resilience is available for the duration of the journey. The ability to bounce back in the face of obstacles, injury, change and uncertainty. It breeds humour, generosity, gratitide and buckets of strength. It is the most important thing we can develop, mentally, physically, emotionally. And if in doubt...MOVE.Thanks kiddo. Awesome. Best with Body Power and your zen time at the Simple Strength Shack.
Rannoch with indian clubs and Kali sticks, moving
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Why WM at b2d. I don't promote stuff on b2d unless i've worked with it for awhile and have confidence in it. i'm at that place with cross core's war machine (as with kettlebells and bands and pull ups). So i'll have more on the WM on b2d in coming posts. Just for context, i first interviewed the WM's creator and company president (Brendan Cosso and JP Brice) in the summer of 2010 after seeing Rannoch post about it on facebook; i've been playing and working with the tool since then so feel comfy now bringing out those interviews and posts. It's been a revelation to me; hope it will be fun for you, too.
In the meantime,
If you're in the UK and interested in the War Machine, please contact Rannoch or Jonathan via their european site
If you're in the US, you can contact CrossCore directly at the WM site - and please check out the vids.
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Monday, April 25, 2011
Sprint Technique as Slow (or Fast) Active Recovery within a Run
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So i was out for a longer run yesterday, it being Sunday and all, and some new shoes to test out (the ls version of the bikila - in a word, love any bikila any time; best runners ever) and at various points i was sucking a bit of air.
As i've written about before, i like to gait my regular run tempo for the most part by being able to breath in and o ut through my nose for the most part or in through nose, out by mouth if not. But what happens when hitting an "i'm breathing through my mouth" patch - and the only choice is seemingly to slow it down? How about change it up, instead?
What i did was work on sprint technique during a few of these jags: i don't mean SPRINTing; i mean sprint technique: getting the knees way up and heels in right under the butt, dorsiflexed way up, nice round turn over with some A/B/C march/skip work.
That technique work is slower than my current (pretty slow already) pace, but it's a different set of muscles getting moved in different ways, and you try knees way up for 50m and see how you feel. The benefit i found was that i could keep moving, practice form, and recover. Which for me means getting my breathing back under control.
At another point, when i started breathing harder, i started running harder putting that form practice to the test. After all, wanted to do something to warrant that extra 02. I'm not sucking wind; i'm sprinting - i have a right to breath hard.
If i'd done this kind of switch around in the weight room, we would be talking about Active Recovery - where the benefit of the exercise is increased if - when not doing maximal work - one does another movement rather than nothing at all.
So that's a double kind of tempo shift in one long run - both for the sake of recovery from fatigue while getting some quality work thrown in: technique on the one hand and energy system work on the other.
When i was running cross country in uni, we'd go for fartlek runs, but the "ok run hard between these two points, then do recovery" or "run an 800 fast then do two 800s for recovery" always felt like work, and very arbitrary. I'm sure it's a great idea; lots of great results from switching stuff up. HIIT intervals on a specific schedule for instance also show results.
But heck, i was just going for a quality long run on a sunday. I felt happier and more successful in terms of finding these possibilities within a run - again, gaited around breathing quality - that i can only say, as with so much else in health and fitness practice - i'd had such insights (or the coaches had) when i was doing this "seriously."
If you'd like to check out more drills, check out the Complete Athlete DVD, vo1 1 (review here)
In the meanwhile, if you give this kind of breathing-oriented tempo/technique shift up / shift down a go during a run, let me know, please what you think/find.
best
mc
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As i've written about before, i like to gait my regular run tempo for the most part by being able to breath in and o ut through my nose for the most part or in through nose, out by mouth if not. But what happens when hitting an "i'm breathing through my mouth" patch - and the only choice is seemingly to slow it down? How about change it up, instead?
What i did was work on sprint technique during a few of these jags: i don't mean SPRINTing; i mean sprint technique: getting the knees way up and heels in right under the butt, dorsiflexed way up, nice round turn over with some A/B/C march/skip work.
Nice wee sample of A, B and C skips for sprint practice.
That technique work is slower than my current (pretty slow already) pace, but it's a different set of muscles getting moved in different ways, and you try knees way up for 50m and see how you feel. The benefit i found was that i could keep moving, practice form, and recover. Which for me means getting my breathing back under control.
At another point, when i started breathing harder, i started running harder putting that form practice to the test. After all, wanted to do something to warrant that extra 02. I'm not sucking wind; i'm sprinting - i have a right to breath hard.
If i'd done this kind of switch around in the weight room, we would be talking about Active Recovery - where the benefit of the exercise is increased if - when not doing maximal work - one does another movement rather than nothing at all.
So that's a double kind of tempo shift in one long run - both for the sake of recovery from fatigue while getting some quality work thrown in: technique on the one hand and energy system work on the other.
When i was running cross country in uni, we'd go for fartlek runs, but the "ok run hard between these two points, then do recovery" or "run an 800 fast then do two 800s for recovery" always felt like work, and very arbitrary. I'm sure it's a great idea; lots of great results from switching stuff up. HIIT intervals on a specific schedule for instance also show results.
But heck, i was just going for a quality long run on a sunday. I felt happier and more successful in terms of finding these possibilities within a run - again, gaited around breathing quality - that i can only say, as with so much else in health and fitness practice - i'd had such insights (or the coaches had) when i was doing this "seriously."
If you'd like to check out more drills, check out the Complete Athlete DVD, vo1 1 (review here)
In the meanwhile, if you give this kind of breathing-oriented tempo/technique shift up / shift down a go during a run, let me know, please what you think/find.
best
mc
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Saturday, April 16, 2011
Resources for Stickiness: Packaging Ideas for Success
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How do we present ideas to help other people hear them? That's a challenge, and not just for folks whose day job is teaching. Fortunately there have been a couple nifty books in this zone, that if you're interested in creating a message that not only will be heard, but might inspire change, these are for you and me.
Sticky Substances in Stories

The first book is "made to stick
" (amazon uk || amazon us) by Dan and Chip Heath
This text goes WAY into detail about how different ways of presenting information work, and why the hooks in those presentations work. These researchers really want to get at the simple but intriguing question "what sticks?"
They look at the question from a variety of angles - why are urban legends so sticky, for instance? What are the properties of the story of the guy in the bar who gets asked to a girl's room for a drink, wakes up in a tub filled with ice with tubes coming out of his back and a cell phone beside him telling him to call 911 because of what's happened to him while he was unconscious (do you know the rest of the story?).
Components of the Stick. From this page turning beginning, the authors check out stickiness from a variety of angles:
what is the power of simplicity to stickiness? the unexpected? the concrete? what about credibility and emotion? and especially, stories?
Indeed, a key focus in each section is that most of the layers of stickiness are delivered via some kind of narrative. What kind of narrative is most sticky? And so we discover how each of these attributes previously explored comes into play for an excellent sticky story.
The discussion of the successful strategy to reduce littering in texas alone is worth the price of admission. It stresses that especially when going for behaviour change, the goal of many trainers, is the importance of connecting with the values of the culture involved is key, as per the Don't Mess with Texas campaign that's been running for 20 years now.
Cultural Values to Motivation to Simple Behaviours I can testify to this cultural values aproach for motivation: i have myself been struggling to find a way to motivate the 20something researchers i work with to give various health ideas a go. Fun last summer at the end of a work day was an initial motivator to go out and play frisbee. The winter rains of the UK were not so kind to encouraging this activity. So what could be done indoors to convey the value of movement?
Finally got the first inkling of a hook for this group since there's little perceived need to work out: we're too robust at this age to feel driven by health. The clue is a kind of competition that professional research geeks have. There are only so many opportunities in my field to get a paper accepted in one's area in a year. And papers in the right place are part of one's CV. Without them, jobs in the same field are much harder to come by. So every opportunity is precious. If one wants to be as sharp as possible and be able to endure the rigours of the run up to submission without crash and burning, one needs a base. Being faster of thought, as well as being able to push back on fatigue to work longer/harder were motivators to bring folks out to give a few ideas in movement and visual/vestibular skills work a go. Some of these approaches are overviewed in this "commercial" for the approach, in the vid below:
The book Made to Stick offers some tasty insights into how to tune content for such effectiveness.
The title Made to Stick, the authors say, is inspired by the concept of "stickiness" proposed in
(Canadian) Malcolm Gladwell's "Tipping Point"(amazon uk || amazon us). Another recommended book/audio book.
Tipping Point to go Epidemic
Gladwell's book looks more at what the factors are in having something catch fire - to move from, in market speak, a vertical to a horizontal. Gladwell's term is more amazing: he talks about something picking up the characteristics of an epidemic - whether that's the sudden popularity of a type of footwear or the popularity of a restaurant.
People Power
Intriguingly, the roles of various types of people are shown to be really key in things going epidemic.
One type is the person who knows everybody, has many secondary connections, and can reach out effectively to everyone and are themselves great socializers. I was at a talk the other day by Nicole Ellison about social networks online, and this factor was described as "social capital" - so these folks have high social capital and can make it work.
Another type is the maven - someone who is passionate to share their knowledge about something - whether it's how to get a great deal on a tv or how get a great rate at a hotel or how to fix something - they just love to share the info.These folks inspire uptake of a practice or product because they KNOW the space so well and their passion conveys their knowledge.
Little Things Count. Then there are types of people that connect knowledge with action. Gladwell presents the example of crime in NY in the 80/90s and how the theory of broken windows is actioned by the person tasked to make New York subways safe again. Essentially, the theory goes, a small ugliness sets up a signal of tacit approval to create a bigger ugliness: an unrepaired broken window sets up a climate for more decay or destruction to follow. Nip the little things in the bud right away, the signals don't get sent that it's ok to vandalize/ruin an environment.
The kind of person involved here is one who was intrigued enough to look at transferring this hypothesis from one domain - neighborhoods - to another: the New York subway system. At the time this was apparently seen as what was an ass backwards approach to dealing with "real crime" and missing the big picture. Intriguingly, sometimes the big picture it seems can be addressed from the bottom up; focusing on the little things.
Some of the methods described in these parts of the book left me cold - rounding up homeless squeegee guys may address the irritant of squeegee guys, but does it do anything to address the issues that create homeless squeegee guys in the first place?
That question aside, Gladwell looks progressively at the strategies that lead things from products to practices to reach epidemic proportion.
One other discussion Gladwell has - related to the Cultural Value connection in Made to Stick - is his discussion of using the best knowledge we have at the time, and testing and reassessing our understanding of the group we want to reach. He uses two examples: one revolutionary and the other evolutionary. He discusses the advent of sesame street, and generations later, the development of Blue's Clues.
The Best of What we Know NOW
With Sesame Street, he notes that a kids psychologist took the best understanding of how kids learn and, violating current wisdom, believed that television could be an effective medium for pre-schooler education. The key element for me of this story is the constant test and reassess the producers of the show carry out (still) with each show to make SURE there's a strong interaction between the show and the kids. Because the show tuned its delivery to map the attentional practices of kids as best as they were understood, the show became sticky, successful.
The next lesson of this piece, however, is it seems, never stop learning. The show Blue's Clues is very different in pace and focus that Sesame Street, but is largely developed from the same methodology that lead to Sesame Street's development. The differences in the show benefit from new knowledge based on years since Sesame Street of working with how pre-schoolers learn. By the same measures that Sesame Street uses to test its shows, Blues Clues does better with its target audience: it has a higher stickiness with the kids watching - their attention wander less. We're talking small but meaningful differences: 90% attention rather than 80%, but that's still something.
Evolving the Even More Sticky: The take away for me from this section is never assume we can't get better at what we do, and that better might look very different than what we're doing right now.
Simple, Fast, Testable Success. One more lesson from Tipping Point, similar to Made to Stick: make it dead simple for people to act. The lesson of how to get folks to mail in coupons or get an important health test is amazing. Like all elegant solutions, these seem obvious in hind sight.The mental exercise however of trying to come to that solution in the first place is well worth exploring.
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Sticky Substances in Stories
The first book is "made to stick
This text goes WAY into detail about how different ways of presenting information work, and why the hooks in those presentations work. These researchers really want to get at the simple but intriguing question "what sticks?"
They look at the question from a variety of angles - why are urban legends so sticky, for instance? What are the properties of the story of the guy in the bar who gets asked to a girl's room for a drink, wakes up in a tub filled with ice with tubes coming out of his back and a cell phone beside him telling him to call 911 because of what's happened to him while he was unconscious (do you know the rest of the story?).
Components of the Stick. From this page turning beginning, the authors check out stickiness from a variety of angles:
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don't mess with texas |
Indeed, a key focus in each section is that most of the layers of stickiness are delivered via some kind of narrative. What kind of narrative is most sticky? And so we discover how each of these attributes previously explored comes into play for an excellent sticky story.
The discussion of the successful strategy to reduce littering in texas alone is worth the price of admission. It stresses that especially when going for behaviour change, the goal of many trainers, is the importance of connecting with the values of the culture involved is key, as per the Don't Mess with Texas campaign that's been running for 20 years now.
the original Don't Mess with Texas ad that the Heath Bros discuss
Cultural Values to Motivation to Simple Behaviours I can testify to this cultural values aproach for motivation: i have myself been struggling to find a way to motivate the 20something researchers i work with to give various health ideas a go. Fun last summer at the end of a work day was an initial motivator to go out and play frisbee. The winter rains of the UK were not so kind to encouraging this activity. So what could be done indoors to convey the value of movement?
Finally got the first inkling of a hook for this group since there's little perceived need to work out: we're too robust at this age to feel driven by health. The clue is a kind of competition that professional research geeks have. There are only so many opportunities in my field to get a paper accepted in one's area in a year. And papers in the right place are part of one's CV. Without them, jobs in the same field are much harder to come by. So every opportunity is precious. If one wants to be as sharp as possible and be able to endure the rigours of the run up to submission without crash and burning, one needs a base. Being faster of thought, as well as being able to push back on fatigue to work longer/harder were motivators to bring folks out to give a few ideas in movement and visual/vestibular skills work a go. Some of these approaches are overviewed in this "commercial" for the approach, in the vid below:
After getting the motivation right (one's paper has to be better, sharper than the competition's), it's having the tools packaged in a simple way that is acceptable to that crowd. With the Don't Mess with Texas campaign, it's put the trash in the can. Simple. For the research geek of academia, it has been short, fast, doable drills as close to one's work area as possible and where performance improvements are perceivable immediately.Cultural Values Connection, take one: improved visual, vestibular, proprioceptive and cognitive performance with s-phase combo drills for geeks(from z-health s-phase/essentials) to get to the photocopier faster (transfer effect - to printer).
If one's looking to develop motivation for behaviour change, cluing into the cultural context seems an effective first step to get to the big second step: actions that are doable.
The book Made to Stick offers some tasty insights into how to tune content for such effectiveness.
Tipping Point to go Epidemic
Gladwell's book looks more at what the factors are in having something catch fire - to move from, in market speak, a vertical to a horizontal. Gladwell's term is more amazing: he talks about something picking up the characteristics of an epidemic - whether that's the sudden popularity of a type of footwear or the popularity of a restaurant.
People Power
Intriguingly, the roles of various types of people are shown to be really key in things going epidemic.
One type is the person who knows everybody, has many secondary connections, and can reach out effectively to everyone and are themselves great socializers. I was at a talk the other day by Nicole Ellison about social networks online, and this factor was described as "social capital" - so these folks have high social capital and can make it work.
Another type is the maven - someone who is passionate to share their knowledge about something - whether it's how to get a great deal on a tv or how get a great rate at a hotel or how to fix something - they just love to share the info.These folks inspire uptake of a practice or product because they KNOW the space so well and their passion conveys their knowledge.
Little Things Count. Then there are types of people that connect knowledge with action. Gladwell presents the example of crime in NY in the 80/90s and how the theory of broken windows is actioned by the person tasked to make New York subways safe again. Essentially, the theory goes, a small ugliness sets up a signal of tacit approval to create a bigger ugliness: an unrepaired broken window sets up a climate for more decay or destruction to follow. Nip the little things in the bud right away, the signals don't get sent that it's ok to vandalize/ruin an environment.
The kind of person involved here is one who was intrigued enough to look at transferring this hypothesis from one domain - neighborhoods - to another: the New York subway system. At the time this was apparently seen as what was an ass backwards approach to dealing with "real crime" and missing the big picture. Intriguingly, sometimes the big picture it seems can be addressed from the bottom up; focusing on the little things.
Some of the methods described in these parts of the book left me cold - rounding up homeless squeegee guys may address the irritant of squeegee guys, but does it do anything to address the issues that create homeless squeegee guys in the first place?
That question aside, Gladwell looks progressively at the strategies that lead things from products to practices to reach epidemic proportion.
One other discussion Gladwell has - related to the Cultural Value connection in Made to Stick - is his discussion of using the best knowledge we have at the time, and testing and reassessing our understanding of the group we want to reach. He uses two examples: one revolutionary and the other evolutionary. He discusses the advent of sesame street, and generations later, the development of Blue's Clues.
The Best of What we Know NOW
With Sesame Street, he notes that a kids psychologist took the best understanding of how kids learn and, violating current wisdom, believed that television could be an effective medium for pre-schooler education. The key element for me of this story is the constant test and reassess the producers of the show carry out (still) with each show to make SURE there's a strong interaction between the show and the kids. Because the show tuned its delivery to map the attentional practices of kids as best as they were understood, the show became sticky, successful.
The next lesson of this piece, however, is it seems, never stop learning. The show Blue's Clues is very different in pace and focus that Sesame Street, but is largely developed from the same methodology that lead to Sesame Street's development. The differences in the show benefit from new knowledge based on years since Sesame Street of working with how pre-schoolers learn. By the same measures that Sesame Street uses to test its shows, Blues Clues does better with its target audience: it has a higher stickiness with the kids watching - their attention wander less. We're talking small but meaningful differences: 90% attention rather than 80%, but that's still something.
Evolving the Even More Sticky: The take away for me from this section is never assume we can't get better at what we do, and that better might look very different than what we're doing right now.
From above vid: Example Drills combining speed movement and vision
work for fast testable cognitive performance improvements
- simple, repeatable, in one's own culture / context - stickier?
Simple, Fast, Testable Success. One more lesson from Tipping Point, similar to Made to Stick: make it dead simple for people to act. The lesson of how to get folks to mail in coupons or get an important health test is amazing. Like all elegant solutions, these seem obvious in hind sight.The mental exercise however of trying to come to that solution in the first place is well worth exploring.
Take Aways
- From Made to Stick we get that a sticky message is in large part a good story. The qualities of a sticky story all seem to share these key elements: the unexpected, the concrete, simplicity, credibility, emotion?
- Connecting with cultural values to motivate behaviour change in a story seems a big personal take away.
- Getting a message to move, to be taken up such that it turns epidemic, we learn from Tipping Point, is often down to types of people, both as message movers and as innovators willing to break with at the time's received wisdom
- Test and re-assess all the time: is it working NOW? Developing methods for instant feedback about uptake of a message seem potent ways to assess effectiveness rather than wait and see.
- Imagine the even-stickier: staying fresh with best knowledge about a subject of stickiness, and testing and retuning that knowledge can lead to an even stickier solution.
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- The other side of the weight room: visual, vestibular and proprioceptive performance
- What's a movement assessment and why have one?
- WHy not look for more time to move rather than less?
- Do we enjoy all our workouts? Why not?
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Shoulder ReHab pt 3: Only Skin (or Fascia) Deep? Yes, It's a money move
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Last week, in part 2 of the right shoulder rehab story, we looked at how a nerve running past the liver and into the diaphram might be adding to shoulder noise. That was - for me - a very new idea in looking at right shoulder rehab. This week, we're back stepping from the edge of the new to some of the lessons learned in my left shoulder revelation might apply on the right and accelerate right side recuperation. In particular, we're focusing on the Skin and Fascia - and their movement.
One of the key things i learned in that dramatic (to me) treatment session on the left shoulder was an object lesson in the site of pain is not the source of pain. Frickin Doh!. Muscularly, this meant that while i was having a big biceps tendon issue, the thing firing up the biceps was around the extensors and brachioradialis. We'll look more at muscle investigation and muscle work, next time.
But a related lesson to this muscle work was skin and fascia work: that sometimes if we don't assess and work with the skin and fascia - while doing all the other good movement stuff - we miss an opportunity to accelerate a path to performance increase (pain decrease).
Only Skin Deep - or a little deeper.
So, today, looking at lessons from the left shoulder and my actions from that on the right shoulder, lets consider the stuff above the muscle that connects the muscle, guts, bones, etc. In other words, let's look at the both the skin and under skin, the fascia.
Sometimes working these layers can be an incredible way in to performance improvement, as i learned with my left shoulder and have seen again with my right.
A little about Skin. Skin is called the biggest single organ of the body. Like the heart is an organ, the skin is an organ. It's also the biggest component of an entire system in the body, the integumentary system (one of 11 systems we run). On the organ side (like the heart that pumps blood or lungs to refresh our air supply) the skin is far more than a single function organ. It is deeply involved with managing homeostasis: it contributes to regulating system temperature, and also protecting us from abrupt temp changes; it is a barrier to infection; it is a waterproof casing; it is a protective wrapper to more delicate tissue beneath it. The skin is where the action is for getting vitamin D out of the sun.
On top of these roles, the "cutaneous distribution" of nerves means that we feel things through the skin that affect our position in space, and how we respond to our space. We feel heat, cold, pressure, and so on at the skin layer. Many nerves that have motor functions also have sensory functions - and a cutaneous distribution - so sometimes just working at the skin level of a muscle's nerves or related nerves can have a powerful effect. How deep is the skin? How hard can you press without your cuticles going white? That's all skin stuff.
How the skin feels is important. Signals go in; signals go out. There are directions to skin movement that tell us a lot about its healthy or not movement, too.
A little about Fascia. Beneath the skin layers are fascial layers. The role of the fascia is a new country for discovery. Many folks are coming to the fascia via the book Myer's Anatomy Trains. Myer's work seems highly influenced by much earlier German work by Hoepke in 1936, Das Muskelspiel des Menschen - showing that the under wrapping of the body the layers that connect muscles and groups of muscles to each other along with other tissue, organs, bones, is a neurologically active wrapping. That means it's responsive. Nerves innervate tissue for a purpose; nerves run into the fascia. What's happening?
Some very interesting contemporary work at Ulm University in Germany at the Fascia Research Project is focusing on the active contractility of the fascia. Muscles contract. These researchers, in particular Robert Schleip, are looking at how fascia has active properties to act *actively* in a muscle-like way (their pdf describing this model of fascia).
Indeed, part of anatomy trains is that the fascia is plastic: it can get wound (as in fascia-as-sheet(s), hence fascial winding) in a direction that has effects along the line of its connection through the body, pulling the rest of the body along to comply with this dissonant shape. Thus, the fascia must be likewise be unwound (often manually is the suggestion) to get back to an appropriate form to enable appropriate mechanical function.
That view kinda presents the fascia as more like playdough: the fascia takes the shape of the stresses upon it and holds that shape.
The Fascia Research Group suggest that fascia is more (re)active in its responsiveness to movement. Likewise they suggest that there is a nociceptive function to fascia - that when it is damaged, it may connect to musculoskeletal pain (pdf review).
If fascia is actively engaged in our bodies' structural integrity and it's responding actively to movement issues, and if there is this direct component around nociception, then perhaps working actively with the fascial layer in movement for improving performance is a good idea.
Skin and Fasica - so what? Well, it's part of a path. How many folks when they go see a physio or chiro have that specialist check the movement of the skin or fascia layer around the nerves of a given muscle firing up a pain cry? Or, even if there's no pain, but say one's shoulder press is seemingly stuck, think to check skin/fascial barriers to multi-directional movement?
Turns out that often a little bit of checking of skin/fascia restrictions can yield a whole lot of improvement in range of motion, performance, decrease in pain. It's worth knowing if your coach or carer or therapist works with skin/fascia in a pain free way.
No Pain, No Pain. Why do i say pain free? After all, some folks LOVE a massage that just reefs into the deep tissue (i.e. muscle) and just makes one grit one's teeth until the muscle or whatever just lets go. Like pounding one's head against a wall, it feels so good when it stops. Well, yes, that's
one way to freak out the nervous system. But pain - and that's what that kind of presure can be - causes startle. Startle's a threat response; it's a shut down/protective response. And who or what performs better under threat, while freaking out?
It seems there are alternative ways to work with skin and fascia that achieve the same ends - even actively to get good motor learning - that do not induce more startle, more threat.
If you're curious about why such pain free tissue work is "just as good as" the stuff that makes one weep, i'd recommend Eyal Lederman's Sciene and Practice of Manual Therapy
. It has a lovely discussion of how tissue moves, and how working with that - actively and necessarily without pain - creates positive performance benefits.
A part of such an active (vs manual) approach to engage with the skin or fascia - once a direction of effective action has been detected - a next step may simply be to bring active awareness to that part of the body.
Enter Kinesio Tape.
There is a well known process in physical therapy that talks about this kind of skin based stimulation - just rubbing gently on an area to bring awareness to that area. Sometimes that's all one needs to help sort out a movement issue. It's a powerful tool for helping address muscular amnesia, for instance - where a muscle just doesn't fire when it should - the body has developed what's become known as sensory motor amnesia, as Thoman Hanna puts it.
Sometimes one needs simply to bring a little awareness to an area to get it to turn on again. With my left shoulder, working with skin and fascial movement assessments showed that there was relief and improved range of motion with just a little bit of a shift in an area of fascial action. How was this tested? Gosh - gently holding the fascial layer in that direction while moving: is range of motion improved? Pain go down? Great, let's bring some awareness to that area.
With my right shoulder, knowing from various Z-Health courses like 9S: Strength and Suppleness and from T-Phase a bit about skin stim, muscle activation and various neural connections, and remembering my own left side rehab, i started exploring myself if there were directions in moving or stimulating either fascia or just skin in my shoulder or arm or neck area (going with all the nerve pathways that can affect the shoulder) that allowed greater range of motion/less pain. Yes. There were. Quite a few.
And so also using some knowledge of the application of kinesio tape
- an amazing stuff that supposedly works with the skin/fascia to support movement (what they call lifting) in a given direction - i applied a wee bit of it to an area with appropriate directional testing, and then immeidately retested my arm. Improvement. I'll take it.
I've made the soggy error of laying down a bit of tape after testing direction only to have missed the spot. This stuff does not like being relaid. So ya grit your teeth and chuck that expensive bit of therapy assist and try again. Measure twice as they say. It's this retesting immeidately that is SO important.
Over the next couple days i had a wee pattern of tape - about three pieces - deployed with this test/retest approach to see what was working to support improved movement/performance. The tape stayed on for three to five days, and seemed to help deliver what was on the tin.
Active Skin Stim? The kinesio tape - it seems - whether it's designed to work this way or not - seems to have the effect of bringing a low level but constant awareness to an area where skin level direction of movement has an effect. It seems to offer a way to get reps in - to help the skin and perhaps underlying fascia move in a more optimal direction - or perhaps being taped towards a given direction that tests well is just opening up better neural awareness so that Good Things Happen.
Take Aways: Respect the Fascia
For me, working with just the fascial/skin layers was not the total killer ap for my left shoulder or my right, but it was a HUGE contributor in opening up performance by especially opening up the range of pain free movement in my shoulder. Checking out how your coach/trainer/therapist works with skin/fascia as part of their (active) rehab work is a Good Idea. If they don't include such consideration, maybe you want to find someone who does - pain free.
It's remarkable to me that sometimes such a gentle stimulation can have such a potent and immediate effect.
My caveat in this space is as always: test and reassess immediately. Knowing how to apply this stuff is as nothing to knowing how to test *immediately* whether the application has had a positive effect.
Next time, promise: exploring end range of motion work with bands for super potent rehab and performance restoration like you would not believe.
Other Posts in this series:
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- here are some awesome cadaver dissection images of the muscles of the shoulder Tweet Follow @begin2dig
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Superficial dissection showing fiberous fascial layer of shouler, head, neck. |
But a related lesson to this muscle work was skin and fascia work: that sometimes if we don't assess and work with the skin and fascia - while doing all the other good movement stuff - we miss an opportunity to accelerate a path to performance increase (pain decrease).
Only Skin Deep - or a little deeper.
So, today, looking at lessons from the left shoulder and my actions from that on the right shoulder, lets consider the stuff above the muscle that connects the muscle, guts, bones, etc. In other words, let's look at the both the skin and under skin, the fascia.
Sometimes working these layers can be an incredible way in to performance improvement, as i learned with my left shoulder and have seen again with my right.
Aside: i KNOW this stuff - about skin and fascia work as part and parcel of muscle/joint/visual/vestibular work - what i'm describing below is the kind of work i do regularly with clients. Somehow, sometimes, when we're looking at ourselves we forget our own deliberate practice. Pain, i think, makes us stupid. So i offer the following thoughts for all of us coping with our own pain who mayn't be thinking straight about it.
A little about Skin. Skin is called the biggest single organ of the body. Like the heart is an organ, the skin is an organ. It's also the biggest component of an entire system in the body, the integumentary system (one of 11 systems we run). On the organ side (like the heart that pumps blood or lungs to refresh our air supply) the skin is far more than a single function organ. It is deeply involved with managing homeostasis: it contributes to regulating system temperature, and also protecting us from abrupt temp changes; it is a barrier to infection; it is a waterproof casing; it is a protective wrapper to more delicate tissue beneath it. The skin is where the action is for getting vitamin D out of the sun.
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skin deep: it's actually pretty deep. |
On top of these roles, the "cutaneous distribution" of nerves means that we feel things through the skin that affect our position in space, and how we respond to our space. We feel heat, cold, pressure, and so on at the skin layer. Many nerves that have motor functions also have sensory functions - and a cutaneous distribution - so sometimes just working at the skin level of a muscle's nerves or related nerves can have a powerful effect. How deep is the skin? How hard can you press without your cuticles going white? That's all skin stuff.
How the skin feels is important. Signals go in; signals go out. There are directions to skin movement that tell us a lot about its healthy or not movement, too.
Myers's anatomy trains a popular intro to fascial layers, connections and movements |
Some very interesting contemporary work at Ulm University in Germany at the Fascia Research Project is focusing on the active contractility of the fascia. Muscles contract. These researchers, in particular Robert Schleip, are looking at how fascia has active properties to act *actively* in a muscle-like way (their pdf describing this model of fascia).
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Fascia Between Muscle Fibers |
That view kinda presents the fascia as more like playdough: the fascia takes the shape of the stresses upon it and holds that shape.
The Fascia Research Group suggest that fascia is more (re)active in its responsiveness to movement. Likewise they suggest that there is a nociceptive function to fascia - that when it is damaged, it may connect to musculoskeletal pain (pdf review).
If fascia is actively engaged in our bodies' structural integrity and it's responding actively to movement issues, and if there is this direct component around nociception, then perhaps working actively with the fascial layer in movement for improving performance is a good idea.
Skin and Fasica - so what? Well, it's part of a path. How many folks when they go see a physio or chiro have that specialist check the movement of the skin or fascia layer around the nerves of a given muscle firing up a pain cry? Or, even if there's no pain, but say one's shoulder press is seemingly stuck, think to check skin/fascial barriers to multi-directional movement?
Turns out that often a little bit of checking of skin/fascia restrictions can yield a whole lot of improvement in range of motion, performance, decrease in pain. It's worth knowing if your coach or carer or therapist works with skin/fascia in a pain free way.
It seems there are alternative ways to work with skin and fascia that achieve the same ends - even actively to get good motor learning - that do not induce more startle, more threat.
If you're curious about why such pain free tissue work is "just as good as" the stuff that makes one weep, i'd recommend Eyal Lederman's Sciene and Practice of Manual Therapy
A part of such an active (vs manual) approach to engage with the skin or fascia - once a direction of effective action has been detected - a next step may simply be to bring active awareness to that part of the body.
Enter Kinesio Tape.
There is a well known process in physical therapy that talks about this kind of skin based stimulation - just rubbing gently on an area to bring awareness to that area. Sometimes that's all one needs to help sort out a movement issue. It's a powerful tool for helping address muscular amnesia, for instance - where a muscle just doesn't fire when it should - the body has developed what's become known as sensory motor amnesia, as Thoman Hanna puts it.
Sometimes one needs simply to bring a little awareness to an area to get it to turn on again. With my left shoulder, working with skin and fascial movement assessments showed that there was relief and improved range of motion with just a little bit of a shift in an area of fascial action. How was this tested? Gosh - gently holding the fascial layer in that direction while moving: is range of motion improved? Pain go down? Great, let's bring some awareness to that area.
With my right shoulder, knowing from various Z-Health courses like 9S: Strength and Suppleness and from T-Phase a bit about skin stim, muscle activation and various neural connections, and remembering my own left side rehab, i started exploring myself if there were directions in moving or stimulating either fascia or just skin in my shoulder or arm or neck area (going with all the nerve pathways that can affect the shoulder) that allowed greater range of motion/less pain. Yes. There were. Quite a few.
Kinesio Tape - the origintal: accept no substitutes |
I've made the soggy error of laying down a bit of tape after testing direction only to have missed the spot. This stuff does not like being relaid. So ya grit your teeth and chuck that expensive bit of therapy assist and try again. Measure twice as they say. It's this retesting immeidately that is SO important.
Over the next couple days i had a wee pattern of tape - about three pieces - deployed with this test/retest approach to see what was working to support improved movement/performance. The tape stayed on for three to five days, and seemed to help deliver what was on the tin.
Active Skin Stim? The kinesio tape - it seems - whether it's designed to work this way or not - seems to have the effect of bringing a low level but constant awareness to an area where skin level direction of movement has an effect. It seems to offer a way to get reps in - to help the skin and perhaps underlying fascia move in a more optimal direction - or perhaps being taped towards a given direction that tests well is just opening up better neural awareness so that Good Things Happen.
Take Aways: Respect the Fascia
- For some, some level of guided skin or fascial support is sufficient to let them "fix" their issue. I've seen this numerous times with mine and others clients, and it always amazes me.
- This layer or suites of layers covering our bodies and interconnecting other systems (muscular, skeletal, visceral) is not to be underestimated or forgotten in treatment.
- Learning how to work with these layers - a big focus of zhealth t-phase as one example for where such education happens - can lead to potent results.
- Sometimes, as an awareness assist, a bit of kinesio tape it seems can help the body learn this new movement pattern at the skin/fascial level. Kinesio tape is an active movement support. Sometimes, that tape isn't necessary, but it's a nice tool when it is.
For me, working with just the fascial/skin layers was not the total killer ap for my left shoulder or my right, but it was a HUGE contributor in opening up performance by especially opening up the range of pain free movement in my shoulder. Checking out how your coach/trainer/therapist works with skin/fascia as part of their (active) rehab work is a Good Idea. If they don't include such consideration, maybe you want to find someone who does - pain free.
It's remarkable to me that sometimes such a gentle stimulation can have such a potent and immediate effect.
My caveat in this space is as always: test and reassess immediately. Knowing how to apply this stuff is as nothing to knowing how to test *immediately* whether the application has had a positive effect.
Next time, promise: exploring end range of motion work with bands for super potent rehab and performance restoration like you would not believe.
Other Posts in this series:
- Rehab Journal Part 1: overview of a journey
- Rehab Journal Part 2: the phrenic nerve and thinking other site/source thoughts
Related posts:
- The Shoulder: Scapula engineering
- Shoulder Engineering: the g/h joint
- tendon - opathies and eccentric contractions for repair
- Fish oil and being anti-inflammatory.
- One less rep: the differnece between injury and success?
- What's a movement assessment?
- Active vs Passive Therapy - what's it mean and why care?
Related Resources
- here are some awesome cadaver dissection images of the muscles of the shoulder Tweet Follow @begin2dig
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Right Shoulder Active Rehab part 2: phrenic nerve and the liver shoulder?
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Welcome to Part 2 of my right shoulder rehab log.When my right shoulder started to hurt, it happened after doing a few ordinary kettlebell presses on the right side. I have no idea what i did to kick off this result - it didn't even feel like the usual uh oh the arm went too far back - something's pulled. It was just pain. This post is about the seemingly strange connections from the liver to the shoulder via the phrenic nerve - and how getting that connection may reduce pain and improve movement.
To cut to the chase after the first few days of nothing seeming to calm down what felt like an inflammatory response - that initial owie of restricted motion and soreness - i went looking for some ideas. Since the nervous system is the governor of the body, and the body responds quickly to threats to it (as in the arthrokinetic reflex), it seemed like an idea to look for any nerve responses about the shoulder.
Previously when i was working through the mystery of pain in my left shoulder, UK Osteopath Andrew Bellamy in the comments of that post suggested to keep in mind any mid neck issues (C5-C6) since this is an area where nerves running into the rotator cuff muscles can get squished. When neck nerves get squished they certainly can refer out to the shoulder.
To quote Andrew's Comment
Cervical and Brachial Plexus. Quick aside about nerves: the spine is the origin point for nerves. Nerves send the signals to power anything in our bodies that moves or has signals moving through it. Veins, muscles, tendons, lungs, brain for instance, all have nerves. Most of these nerves are associated with what are known as spinal segments - areas around a given vertebrae. Nerves come off these spinal segments quite often with thicker branches that split into finer strands.
These larger nets of nerves are referred to as Plexi. The nerves that connect with our neck, shoulders, arms and hands are part of the Cervical (from C1 to C5) and Brachial Plexus, spinal segments from C5-T1 (T1 is the top of the thoracic spine). It's the shape of these plexi that give the nerve fibers, well, give for being able to stretch, compress, torque and move with the body. Amazing engineering.
From Suprascapular to Phrenic Nerve: the site of pain not the source of pain
It was thinking back to Andrew's comments that made me wonder about a nerve squish troubling my shoulder. There are some good neurodynamic drills that can help release the suprascapular nerve if that's what the impingement is; there are lots of great mobilisations for the head and neck too. These weren't quite doing it for me.
There's a book by Barral and Croibier on the Peripheral Nerves
. I pulled that one down to have a look to
see what i might be missing in nerve world. If you're interested in how the nerves work in our bodies, from how they're fed to how they can be manipulated for improving movement, this is a well illustrated and interesting text.
Starting with the area of the cervical plexus Andrew identified, Barral and Croibier after talking about the cervical plexus in general for treatment, zero in on the Phrenic Nerve. The phrenic nerve? Turns out, it, too comes off C4, is neighbours with the hugely important vagus nerve, and innervates the diaphragm. So what's that got to do with the shoulder?
Turns out as well that the phrenic nerve is really close to the liver - in particular the sensory (as opposed to motor) fibers of the phrenic nerve. Also Glisson's Capsule (fibrous stuff that wraps the liver) is innervated by the phrenic nerve. Indeed, something quite horrible can happen in liver surgery/transplants: the phrenic nerve right branch can get cut - which means half the diaphram can stop contracting, making breathing a challenge.
Enter the Liver Shoulder. So what's this got to do with the shoulder, interesting and all as this seems? Barral and Croibier call the right shoulder "the visceral shoulder."
The authors have a theory that based on the phrenic nerve's spinal segment, its location in the shoulder, and all the action along the pathway connected with viscera, trouble at one part of the nerve could superimpose or transfer sensation to other areas. This kind of effect isn't uncommon. Head's Zones are long standing maps of referred pain from viscera to other areas of the body. In Head's work, liver/gallbladder referred out to neck pain - more what looks like the upper traps area than the shoulder.
More Specific: Periarthritis. Moving into their chapter on the brachial plexus, the authors get into a discussion of right shoulder "periarthritis" in particular. A quick note that periarthritis is a chronic shoulder issue - also known as frozen shoulder. Now in my case i did not have a chronic right shoulder issue - far from it. My right shoulder has been my rock. But i was still interested. They say that of the hundreds (that's quite a bunch) of patients they've looked at with right shoulder periarthritis where the cause wasn't injury, they've found a connection with the liver and gallbladder also being touch sensitive.
A Test: does it hurt less / can you move more when you do this now? What struck me in their discussion is that pain in the right shoulder can come on seemingly from a simple typical movement and get attributed to that movement - when perhaps it's been a visceral issue just appearing. Oh my. They have a test. After checking the right shoulder - they assume a variety of diagnostics - check to see if the liver or gallbladder are touch sensitive.
Now as it turns out, in my case, that area was pretty sensitive - more so on the right than on the left - but heck i was also recovering from some intense DOMS for my first time using a power wheel for roll outs in awhile, so perhaps that was it? None the less, i thought ok, i'll check their evaluation. Starting seated with arm abducted and externally rotated, there are two touch tests for the liver area. I shan't describe them here, but in carrying them out, the question is, can the arm go past the previous range of motion, past the previous pain threshold. Mine went way past. As i told colleagues, i was not a little freaked out.
How Much Liver? The challenge to consider: does this mean that there is some GI related issue screwing with my shoulder?
I don't know. I'm going to do some bloodwork with Bioletics soon just to check on how things are going - i like having a baseline - so will see. But i can say that just massaging the liver/gallbladder area in a way that Kevin Perone once showed me once to help me sleep seemed to have an ongoing, immediate effect in those first key days of getting the inflammation sense of really restricted/painful motion down and range of motion without pain, up. By painful i mean shampooing my head - that much pressure - hurt. Pulling the covers off me in bed hurt. That kind of thing.
What i do know, experientially from this: gentle visceral manipulation around the liver had a remarkable effect.
Update: here's another post courtesy of a find by Randy Hauer that shows a diaphram/shoulder connection - the more direct phrenic end (phrenic innervates diaphragm) to the shoulder.
Related: Barral Institute
Kevin (shown here at 0.22 in doing some one arm pull ups) who demo'd that nice help sleep liver work
had studied visceral manipulation
with the Barral Institute. I'd heard of this in z-health training; experienced kevin's ministrations, but had not put together that the author of this book was the same person as the eponymous institute. More than that, i had not had a direct experience of a test/reassess movement with visceral work and a demonstrable effect.
One of the things we learn in Z-Health is the value of test and reassess. Does the technique make a difference to performance right now (today it might; later today maybe not). For this period, there *seemed* to be a strong correlation between visceral work and shoulder pain reduction rom improvement. Whether the DOMS in my abs were another contributor to phrenic nerve irritation, i dunno, but even if it was, isn't that interesting?
In any case, i am interested to learn more about visceral work.
Back to the Shoulder: Next Part - Enter the Bands
While the visceral work certainly helped - amazingly so - it didn't eliminate the issue with my shoulder.
In the next part of this rehab log, we'll be looking at how bands - in particular light bands - for exploring, loading and testing range of motion work has been helping - a lot and quickly - to get my shoulder back to functioning without pain.
Caveat:
Just a note again, as i said in part one, these posts are just what i've been doing for myself, with myself. They're explorations grounded in practice and what i've learned formally and on my own, but i'm not generalising to say hey, if you want to fix your shoulder, this is what you should do.
As always, if in doubt about a painful experience, check with a qualified medical person - someone who knows athletes and athletic movement and won't tell someone "just don't lift heavy." Once you're cleared for rehab work, check with someone you trust to help formulate that action.
One phrase prior to the next episode that's been resonating with me is dan john's if it's worth doing, do it every day. I think there's a bit of the seminary about Mr John sometimes with expressions like that. Dunno why, but there it is. Taking that "every day" sentiment to heart, however, i have been working my shoulder every day - usually morning and evening. We'll look at how next time, but i'm convinced that lots of pain free movement, lots of the time, is a key healer.
Till next time.
mc
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To cut to the chase after the first few days of nothing seeming to calm down what felt like an inflammatory response - that initial owie of restricted motion and soreness - i went looking for some ideas. Since the nervous system is the governor of the body, and the body responds quickly to threats to it (as in the arthrokinetic reflex), it seemed like an idea to look for any nerve responses about the shoulder.

To quote Andrew's Comment
The suprapsinatus nerve, ([C4] occ/5/6), which runs through the anterior and middle scalenes, close to the levator scapulae (vital for shoulder shrugging), into the supraspinatus fossa via the notch, under the periosteum (therefore tethered and liable to neural stretching) laterally. It divides in two innervate the supra and infraspinatus muscles. Typically it gives deltod, scapular, biceps and forearm radiating pain when irritated and is a regular mimic of shoulder pathology, especially cuff tear and subacromial impingement.Indeed, here's a wee bit more on the neuropathy of this often troubling site of the suprascapular nerve and the rotator cuff muscles it innervates.

These larger nets of nerves are referred to as Plexi. The nerves that connect with our neck, shoulders, arms and hands are part of the Cervical (from C1 to C5) and Brachial Plexus, spinal segments from C5-T1 (T1 is the top of the thoracic spine). It's the shape of these plexi that give the nerve fibers, well, give for being able to stretch, compress, torque and move with the body. Amazing engineering.
From Suprascapular to Phrenic Nerve: the site of pain not the source of pain
It was thinking back to Andrew's comments that made me wonder about a nerve squish troubling my shoulder. There are some good neurodynamic drills that can help release the suprascapular nerve if that's what the impingement is; there are lots of great mobilisations for the head and neck too. These weren't quite doing it for me.
Starting with the area of the cervical plexus Andrew identified, Barral and Croibier after talking about the cervical plexus in general for treatment, zero in on the Phrenic Nerve. The phrenic nerve? Turns out, it, too comes off C4, is neighbours with the hugely important vagus nerve, and innervates the diaphragm. So what's that got to do with the shoulder?
Turns out as well that the phrenic nerve is really close to the liver - in particular the sensory (as opposed to motor) fibers of the phrenic nerve. Also Glisson's Capsule (fibrous stuff that wraps the liver) is innervated by the phrenic nerve. Indeed, something quite horrible can happen in liver surgery/transplants: the phrenic nerve right branch can get cut - which means half the diaphram can stop contracting, making breathing a challenge.
Enter the Liver Shoulder. So what's this got to do with the shoulder, interesting and all as this seems? Barral and Croibier call the right shoulder "the visceral shoulder."
The authors have a theory that based on the phrenic nerve's spinal segment, its location in the shoulder, and all the action along the pathway connected with viscera, trouble at one part of the nerve could superimpose or transfer sensation to other areas. This kind of effect isn't uncommon. Head's Zones are long standing maps of referred pain from viscera to other areas of the body. In Head's work, liver/gallbladder referred out to neck pain - more what looks like the upper traps area than the shoulder.
More Specific: Periarthritis. Moving into their chapter on the brachial plexus, the authors get into a discussion of right shoulder "periarthritis" in particular. A quick note that periarthritis is a chronic shoulder issue - also known as frozen shoulder. Now in my case i did not have a chronic right shoulder issue - far from it. My right shoulder has been my rock. But i was still interested. They say that of the hundreds (that's quite a bunch) of patients they've looked at with right shoulder periarthritis where the cause wasn't injury, they've found a connection with the liver and gallbladder also being touch sensitive.
A Test: does it hurt less / can you move more when you do this now? What struck me in their discussion is that pain in the right shoulder can come on seemingly from a simple typical movement and get attributed to that movement - when perhaps it's been a visceral issue just appearing. Oh my. They have a test. After checking the right shoulder - they assume a variety of diagnostics - check to see if the liver or gallbladder are touch sensitive.
Now as it turns out, in my case, that area was pretty sensitive - more so on the right than on the left - but heck i was also recovering from some intense DOMS for my first time using a power wheel for roll outs in awhile, so perhaps that was it? None the less, i thought ok, i'll check their evaluation. Starting seated with arm abducted and externally rotated, there are two touch tests for the liver area. I shan't describe them here, but in carrying them out, the question is, can the arm go past the previous range of motion, past the previous pain threshold. Mine went way past. As i told colleagues, i was not a little freaked out.
How Much Liver? The challenge to consider: does this mean that there is some GI related issue screwing with my shoulder?
I don't know. I'm going to do some bloodwork with Bioletics soon just to check on how things are going - i like having a baseline - so will see. But i can say that just massaging the liver/gallbladder area in a way that Kevin Perone once showed me once to help me sleep seemed to have an ongoing, immediate effect in those first key days of getting the inflammation sense of really restricted/painful motion down and range of motion without pain, up. By painful i mean shampooing my head - that much pressure - hurt. Pulling the covers off me in bed hurt. That kind of thing.
What i do know, experientially from this: gentle visceral manipulation around the liver had a remarkable effect.
Update: here's another post courtesy of a find by Randy Hauer that shows a diaphram/shoulder connection - the more direct phrenic end (phrenic innervates diaphragm) to the shoulder.
Related: Barral Institute
One of the things we learn in Z-Health is the value of test and reassess. Does the technique make a difference to performance right now (today it might; later today maybe not). For this period, there *seemed* to be a strong correlation between visceral work and shoulder pain reduction rom improvement. Whether the DOMS in my abs were another contributor to phrenic nerve irritation, i dunno, but even if it was, isn't that interesting?
In any case, i am interested to learn more about visceral work.
Back to the Shoulder: Next Part - Enter the Bands
While the visceral work certainly helped - amazingly so - it didn't eliminate the issue with my shoulder.
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the micro mini band: excellent for exploratory band rehab |
In the next part of this rehab log, we'll be looking at how bands - in particular light bands - for exploring, loading and testing range of motion work has been helping - a lot and quickly - to get my shoulder back to functioning without pain.
Caveat:
Just a note again, as i said in part one, these posts are just what i've been doing for myself, with myself. They're explorations grounded in practice and what i've learned formally and on my own, but i'm not generalising to say hey, if you want to fix your shoulder, this is what you should do.
As always, if in doubt about a painful experience, check with a qualified medical person - someone who knows athletes and athletic movement and won't tell someone "just don't lift heavy." Once you're cleared for rehab work, check with someone you trust to help formulate that action.
One phrase prior to the next episode that's been resonating with me is dan john's if it's worth doing, do it every day. I think there's a bit of the seminary about Mr John sometimes with expressions like that. Dunno why, but there it is. Taking that "every day" sentiment to heart, however, i have been working my shoulder every day - usually morning and evening. We'll look at how next time, but i'm convinced that lots of pain free movement, lots of the time, is a key healer.
Till next time.
mc
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